What I will and will not do

In 40 years of voting, I don't think I have ever voted for a Republican, and yet I do not know what I will do in November.  But I do know now that I will not vote for Obama. That is a position I have come to gradually.  His is the rare case where the more I learn about a person, the less I like him.  After the first bunch of primaries I still would have supported Obama, even though I found his campaign tactics troubling.  A great rousing speech is a wonderful and cathartic thing, but I was troubled by the lack of substance and the almost total reliance on emotional rhetoric, urging vast audiences of worshipful followers to simply "Believe."  I felt uneasy about the rote repetition of "Change You Can Believe In" without any indication of how or what he would do to bring it about (other than televising it on C-Span).  I found the relentless appeal to unthinking emotionalism and the campaign videos empty of content reminiscent of an earlier era, one that we should not want to emulate.  That was the beginning.

But then when Hillary Clinton attempted to counter his contentless rhetoric by pointing out that even the great Martin Luther King knew that he needed not just rhetoric but laws and a President who could push them through, Obama let loose his dogs to call her a racist and refused to disavow the charge.  That's when, since no one in the media seemed to have anything to say about his record, I started to look at it.  With the Internet, it doesn't take much digging.  Of course I found the "Present" votes, the Rezko deal, the Exelon episode, the disconnect between his early speech against the war and his actual votes on it, the failures to stand up when it would have taken courage, like his "Present" vote on MoveOn, while Hillary voted not to censure, and his vote for the lard-soaked energy bill.  But I might have overlooked even all that and chalked him up as just another politician, mostly liberal, not particularly brave, unwilling to take risks, and looking for power and influence.

But it got worse.  There was the growing reliance on divisiveness, usually through campaign surrogates, while claiming to be an agent of unity.  There were the hoards of Obama fanatics using the Internet to shout down - or ban - anyone who dared to disagree about their darling.  There was the successful attempt to remove Hillary supporters from CNN while having his surrogates covertly push his own candidacy there.  There was the disingenuous willingness to overdramatize any kind of momentary advantage like the ludicrously non-representative caucus win in Iowa or the victory in South Carolina, while declaring that his losses were meaningless, thus attempting to marginalize all who don't support him while claiming to be the one person who can bring us together.  And again there were his surrogates calling his opponent racist simply because she asked for the support of Hispanics, for whom she has sought fair treatment for many years, while he has done nothing for them.  Consistently this man who poses as a change agent uses racist charges to advance himself.  

And then, and perhaps most tragically, there is the failure, time and time again, by this man who claims to be better and newer and than, well, practically everybody, to disavow the viciously sexist attacks on a decent woman, a woman he grudgingly calls "likable enough" and who he turned his back on when she offered her hand after the State of the Union address, a woman who has worked all her life for progressive causes, a woman who for decades has fought for children and for the voiceless, a woman whose words were banned in China when she dared to say that women's rights are human rights.  And, too, there is the chilling attempt to take advantage of those sexist attacks on her by echoing them in his rhetoric with coded phrases like "claws out."  

His cowardly silence is an offense against all women, even those who foolishly support him, and it is an unforgivable offense in a world where there are still countries where a woman can't vote; where a woman's word in court is half a man's or nothing at all; where a woman can't go outside without a bag over her head; where girl children are mutilated or killed at birth; where women who go out in public are confined to segregated areas; where teachers who dare to teach girls may be killed; where mass rape is used as a political strategy; where polygamy is common, where a woman who has been raped is expected to kill herself or be killed by her family. Obama's willingness to take advantage of such hatred when it comes out to support him here at home is enough alone to disqualify him for the presidency.

And then there is his inconsistent and blatantly anti-democratic position on which delegates should be counted and which should not.  Unlike much of his race-baiting, this example comes not from his surrogates but from his own mouth.  He told Politico that we should not count Florida and Michigan because it would be wrong to change the rules (even though the rules seem to have been set up to give him an advantage); but at the same time in the same interview he said we should throw away the rules and not count the superdelegates because counting them would go against the will of the people.  The only votes he wants to count are the ones that go his way.   So here is a black man - one who has led a privileged life of private schools and exclusive opportunities that most black men cannot even dream of, who let a lobbyist help him buy a $1.9M house for $1.6M, whose principal backers are a wealthy elite -  arguing to disenfranchise working-class voters who cast ballots in perfectly fair primaries.  This is especially true of Florida, a state where elderly voters and African-Americans in large numbers had their votes hijacked in 2000, a state where this year both Clinton and Obama (as well as Edwards) were on the ballot with an equal chance to get votes and where all of the candidates refrained equally from campaigning (although Obama did make one public appearance to the media), and where 1.7 million people cast ballots, which Obama now wants to throw in the trash.  

We have truly entered the world of Orwell if this "I have the ability to bring people together" man can get away with posing as an agent of change.

And right now at this very moment he has his surrogates at MoveOn - those are the ones who did  the blink-and-you-missed-it poll of their members, most of whom, including me, had no chance to vote - trying to get people to petition against the superdelegates, who are the heart of the Democratic party.

I say to Obama and his surrogates: No!  No, I won't vote for you!  I will work as hard as I can to stop you.

I say to Hillary, Yes!  I will stand up for you!  I will fight for you!  

I say to all thinking women, and all good men:  If not now, when?



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I agree with you on one point (2.00 / 1)

I more i know Obama, the less I like him.

My tipping point was his newly announced economic plan where he copied 'the green collar job' idea from Clinton.  That was it.  I don't have any respect left for Obama.  

Voters need to see that he can't bring change if he can not propose a single initiative idea of his own.  Not one single initiative idea was included in Obama plan.  What change?  What progress? can he possibly bring?  


by JoeySky18 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 10:13:07 AM EST

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Congratulations on your choice to ensure an even more conservative, more restrictive, more constructionist federal court system!  

Good Bye Roe!


by IowaCubs on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 10:29:53 AM EST

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Fear tactic! A pitiful pathetic one from one who wants to change politics lol!


by Sandeep on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:42:29 AM EST
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Then what would you call a McCain administration?  Progressive?  

Sheesh.


by IowaCubs on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:08:11 PM EST
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My sentiments exactly! I cannot vote, but my husband can and he has said he will write Hillary Clinton on the ballot, no matter what.
Enough is enough!

And to the comment about "more conservative, more restrictive" etc. You are not seriously blackmailing here, are you? I didn't think so.


by forhill on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 10:39:31 AM EST

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I have not said I will vote for McCain, only that I will not vote for Obama.  I don't know if I could vote for McCain.  Frankly, I don't know what he'll be saying in the end.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 10:57:02 AM EST

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Hey, it's up to you in November.  But if you want to see the end of Roe v. Wade so you can pout and make your point, be our guest!


by mddem456 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:01:49 AM EST

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I'm not "pouting."  Are you?


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:04:35 AM EST
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What makes you so sure Obama will support Roe?  He is the one who proposed voting "Present" in Illinois when the right to choose was under attack.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:07:21 AM EST
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Barack Obama has a 100 percent voting record from Planned Parenthood.  

http://www.barackoblogger.com/2008/01/re sponse-to-clintons-attacks-on-obamas.htm l


by IowaCubs on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:20:55 PM EST
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Yes I have heard that and I have no reason to question your facts.  It is Obama's commitment that I question.  I think if there were risk involved, women's rights are one of the first things he would throw overboard.  Although I really do have big problems with his lack of experience, and I think he is too compromised to be able to actually enact progressive policies, such as for example universal health care, my biggest problem with him has to do with character.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:53:45 PM EST
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Good point, since I haven't heard a peep out of Obama's campaign (nor seen any real evidence of his commitment to it), I'm not certain that Roe vs. Wade would be safe under his tenure, either.  I'm completely shocked that women support a Democratic candidate that seems to be absent when it comes to reproductive rights and women's rights.


by Catriley sez on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:46:22 AM EST
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Not a peep, huh?  Really?  Is THIS convincing enough?

"Thirty-five years after the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, it's never been more important to protect a woman's right to choose. Last year, the Supreme Court decided by a vote of 5-4 to uphold the Federal Abortion Ban, and in doing so undermined an important principle of Roe v. Wade: that we must always protect women's health. With one more vacancy on the Supreme Court, we could be looking at a majority hostile to a women's fundamental right to choose for the first time since Roe v. Wade. The next president may be asked to nominate that Supreme Court justice. That is what is at stake in this election.

"Throughout my career, I've been a consistent and strong supporter of reproductive justice, and have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.  -- Barack Obama, January 22, 2008

Emphasis proudly mine.

Contrast this with John McCain's position:

MCCAIN: I don't think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that it's very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should -- could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these decisions to the states, which I support.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And you'd be for that?

MCCAIN: Yes, because I'm a federalist. Just as I believe that the issue of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states. And I don't believe the Supreme Court should be legislating in the way that they did on Roe v. Wade. --John McCain, Nov 19, 2006


by IowaCubs on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:38:32 PM EST
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Well, I'm not about to start defending McCain.  But on the question of women's rights as human rights, of which abortion is only one, HRC is far ahead of Obama, with a far longer record.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:58:23 PM EST
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I'm not disputing Hillary's long and distinguished committment to abortion rights, but the fact remains... Obama is pro-choice and will nominate pro-choice nominees to the bench.  He couldn't be more clear on this.

Obama and Clinton have the same beliefs on supporting a woman's right to choose, and they will both uphold Roe.

So I will plug my nose and vote for Clinton if you will do the same for Obama in the name of choice.

Deal?


by IowaCubs on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 01:16:27 PM EST
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Well, I thank you for trying to come halfway, but I just don't think I can do it.  The best you will get from me is that I probably will not cast a ballot FOR McCain.  But I don't see myself giving a vote to Obama either.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 02:07:16 PM EST
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At least keep the door open... that's all I'm asking Clinton supporters to do.

This campaign is far from over, but I've been on the your end of a campaign before.  It hurts...the person you believe in is losing to the person you've grown to distrust and even hate.  I understand your frustration.

At least you have my respect for believing in your candidate like you do.


by IowaCubs on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:51:49 PM EST
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Thank you.  I just have to correct you on one point:   Maybe you were just being loose in your choice of words, but I do not "believe in" Hillary Clinton.  She is not perfect and she is not my dream candidate, if there ever could be such a person.  There are important issues on which I disagree with her position.  I will never believe in any candidate, and I think it is a dangerous thing to do.  It is, in fact, the starting point of my problems with Obama.

But I can drop it for now anyway.  I think we've tired ourselves out sufficiently.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:30:04 PM EST
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Why do you think Roe would be overturned? (none / 0)

I can't imagine McCain going to the mat for that one.  As far as the Supreme Court, I doubt it.  McCain strikes me as someone who would nominate a moderate Republican or even a Democrat.  McCain won't owe his election to the far right wing of the party.  Besides, a real old fashioned conservative doesn't want to upset the status quo too much and Roe has been the status quo for too long.


by lombard on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:22:22 PM EST
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I kind of agree with that myself on judges with McCain, but he would probably get multiple appointments, and even one turning out right-wing at this point would end judicially-guaranteed choice rights.


by mddem456 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 02:18:07 PM EST
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Wow, I feel strongly for my candidate as well, but I suppose my wife and I would hold my nose and vote for Hillary.  

Every presidential election, I feel the same way... in 2000 I supported Bill Bradley with passion and energy, then actively supported Ralph Nader.  Oops.

Quit the sour grapes and vote for the courts.  


by IowaCubs on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:07:12 AM EST

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Well I did not support Nader, and for 40 years I have supported this party.  I supported the Kennedys even after JFK told the young women of Girls Nation that none of them could ever be President, but maybe they could aspire to be First Lady some day (Go ahead:  Google it.)  But I am not a true believer.  I am not a fanatic Democrat, and frankly I do not think the two-party system has been good for America.  People are so tied into it that you would think it is part of the Constitution.  But it is not.  

I know that sometimes you have to do a hard thing and take some hard hits to make a great change.  This is that point in history.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:20:45 AM EST
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I've done that, too, but this time is different (none / 0)

We're not just talking about sour grapes here.  I really, really, really do not want this guy to be president.  I can live with President McCain.  I'm afraid that if Obama is elected, I'll become like one of those irrational Clinton haters.


by lombard on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:08:10 PM EST
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I'm a Clinton supporter.  I will definitely support Obama in the general if he is the nominee - and, at that point, I'll start trying to convince former Clinton supporters to support Obama.  Until then, it's a losing battle - and I'm not interested in arguing the other guy's case, or necessarily in insulting passionately committed candidate supporters during the primaries.

Primary season is one thing; I understand the reservations you have about supporting Senator Obama - I have some similar (though not necessarily all, or the same) reservations, but the presidency is far too important.  

When/if the time comes, we can have this discussion again.  Until then, I respect your feelings now, but hope that you will hear me out later if Obama is the nominee.  


by mgee on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:13:34 AM EST

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I started out as an Obama supporter.. many months ago. I had remembered his speech at the Convention, and thought he was quite inspirational.  But the glow has faded as I learned more about him.  Anthony Robbins gives good speeches, too, but I will not vote for him either.  

I resent being called a racist because I do not support nor agree with Obama. I didn't vote for Alan Keyes, yet no one called me a racist then. I resent the constant attacks by Obama's supporters, as though the only option for Democrats is to choose their candidate. Wrong. Strong-arming Hillary's supporters will not make us support him. Actually, it makes us like him less and less and solidfies our support for Hillary. Any parent knows that tactic does not work.  The fawning media and the attacking supporters have created a sympathetic candidate in Clinton.  They were foiled in their attempt to turn her emotional moment into a "Dean Scream" when it made us like her even more.

How about the fans of Obama concentrate on his positions and experience that would make him a good candidate, instead of tearing down Hillary at every turn.  And if you can't figure out what those things might be, perhaps you're supporting the wrong person.


by Catriley sez on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:43:48 AM EST

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Well said.  Obama made a huge mistake -- or maybe just revealed his lack of character -- when he let the vicious attacks against Hillary go unanswered.  Had he spoken up early for justice and decency in the campaign, and had he not taken advantage of the situation for his own gain, many of us would feel very different now.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 01:03:33 PM EST
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Where do you live? (2.00 / 1)

To me, that's the big question.

If you dislike Obama so much and you live in a state that is either solidly red or blue, I say it doesn't much matter what you choose to do. Knock yourself out.

But if you live in a tightly contested state, think and think again about the choice you're making. Remember Florida in 2000?

For my mileage, I think Hillary is unfit to lead. (The reasons matter not to this conversation.) But I live in Colorado, which is likely to be a real battleground this November. So if she somehow manages to salvage this thing and win the nomination, I'll vote for her. If I lived in California or some other solid blue state, she would likely not have my vote.

The "real Dems" will call both of us traitors, I'm sure. Whatever. But I ask you, everyone, to think about where you live when you think about how to vote.

by PhilFR on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:59:08 AM EST

And I think HE is unfit to lead (none / 0)

But, if I really believe that, then my vote should go to whomever has the best chance of stopping him.

If you would vote for someone from your party who you think is unfit to lead if your state is close, then you must not think Hillary is as unfit to lead as much as I think Obama is unfit to lead.


by lombard on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:26:42 PM EST
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But the question is, how do you compare their unfitness to that of whacko John McCain?

If you think either Clinton or Obama would be a worse predident than McCain, then, well, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. To people like you, I can only say:

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SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: The November 4 election has been postponed for one week, and will take place on Nov 11. No reason to bother going down to the polls on Feb 2. Nope.

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:-)

by PhilFR on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:50:22 PM EST
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Not Clinton OR Obama would be worse (none / 0)

Just Obama.  I would vote for Clinton over McCain.  
I am not only more repelled by Obama than McCain (in fact, I'm not repelled by McCain), I am far more repelled by Obama than any of the other most recent GOP contenders: Romney, Huckabee, or Paul.

Expect more Democrats to walk if Obama is the nominee.  My estimate is that somewhere between 15% and 25% of Democrats walk if Obama is the nominee (not all of them will vote for McCain of course).  Reagan supposedly got about 25%. Nixon may have received a higher percentage than that in 1972 considering that the South was overwhelmingly Democratic then.  And some of those people who walk may be gone for more than one election.

Those defections will cause Obama to lose, of course, because he will not be getting much margin from independents.  In fact, right now I would bet that McCain will win independents overall in the states where they matter.

The good part of an Obama defeat is that he will never have a chance at the presidency again because Democrats are very unforgiving to their losers.  That might help bring back some of the people who walked on the party.

And, yes, we will have to agree to disagree.


by lombard on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 01:41:52 PM EST
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Wow... what vitrol in this diary.  Deep breaths people, please.  We all love our candidates.  No reason to hate.


by IowaCubs on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:58:16 PM EST
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This goes beyond my dislike for Obama (none / 0)

or any support for Hillary Clinton.

I believe the Obama movement gives a bad image for the Democratic party and his campaign has been more ruinous for the party than any other campaign could have been.  This 46 year old senator with two years in office before his presidential run is so ambitious for having it all that he doesn't care about the consequences.

His nomination may not only cause me to vote for McCain, it may cause me to no longer consider myself a Democrat after identifying that way for decades.


by lombard on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:14:49 PM EST
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I have a colleague who is as far to the right as I am to the left.  Despite that, I find I like him and we talk about politics and sometimes trade the most hilarious insults.  He is supporting McCain (his third choice, behind Guiliani and Romney).  However, in the primary on Feb. 12 he voted for Obama, because he is registered as a Democrat.  He does this so he can vote for the weakest Democrat, (although he tells me that now that Maryland has moved up its primary he will probably switch his registration).  He thinks McCain will chew up Obama and spit him out.  I have to agree, because McCain is (for a Republican) a moderate, even if he's going to have to act like a fundamentalist until the election.  Obama has moved himself too far away from his base in order to win independents and Republicans, but most of those people, in the end, will be supporting McCain.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 01:59:44 PM EST
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This is far from true in Iowa, where Bush won in 2004.  Obama will win here, but Clinton will have to spend much more time campaigning here.

I'll vote and campaign for her, but I don't like her chances.


by IowaCubs on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:00:11 PM EST
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Re: Where do you live? (none / 0)

I live in Maryland, and if Obama is the nominee -- which I still pray will not be the case -- I don't think you should be so automatically sure that he will have lots of votes to spare here in November.   There have been some strange voting patterns in this primary, and I don't think anyone knows exactly what they mean.

But aren't you forgetting something else?  There is a lot that I can do other than vote.  I can give money and I can work in the campaign of my choice. I have given the maximum for the primary, but there is still the general, where I can again give the maximum.  I can also give to supporting organizations.  And I can volunteer my time and all my resources, as I have been doing.

Do not be so quick to suggest to people that they do not matter (if that was your intention).

As to your comment about HRC's fitness to lead, I do not wish to trade insults with you, but if you read my post, you would know that I think Obama is unfit to lead.  That's something I cannot say about McCain.  Still, although I know I cannot vote for Obama, I have not yet decided whether I could vote for McCain.  Doing so would be a hard thing indeed.


by PlainWords on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 01:23:35 PM EST
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I totally understand. When you aren't in the Obama camp he looks like a guy giving a great speech who says worrisome and angry things using beautiful words and cadence.

At a time when we are fighting two wars, the planet is dying, we're sliding into an economic depression, New Orleans still needs recovery, we have thousands of wounded soldiers to tend, people are losing their jobs and homes, people are sick and are being denied insurance...when these are the stakes, I want more than hope that we'll figure it out. I want a president who I trust to know what to do, and who will be able to get the necessary done. That's Hillary Clinton.


by seattlegonz on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:02:25 PM EST

The more we know about him the less we like him... (2.00 / 1)

seems to be a trend with regard to Obama. Time is on Hillary's corner. She needs to point out Obama's hypocrisy so that the voters will form an educated opinion prior to voting. I had a favorable opinion of Obama as well, but again, the more I learned about him...


by Rome890 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:04:04 PM EST

You said the perfect word - Orwellian (2.00 / 1)

Of all the reasons why I will never vote for Obama, that one is the clincher.

You also wrote:

"The more you see him, the less you like him."

The opposite of that, of course, appears to be a talking point of his campaign, but my experience is like yours.

For me (and I hope enough other Democrats and Americans), the mission is no longer about electing Hillary or McCain, but stopping Obama.  I will vote for the candidate that has the best chance of doing that.  I've already voted for Hillary in the primary season.  The only option I have left is voting for McCain in the general.


by lombard on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:04:09 PM EST

What The Economist says about Obama... (none / 0)

From The Economist article that SusanHu has posted here:

"If one lesson from the wasted Bush years is that needless division is bad, another is that incompetence is perhaps even worse. A man who has
never run any public body of any note is a risk, even if his campaign has been a model of discipline."


by Shazone on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 12:26:28 PM EST

then you were obviously never a Dem (none / 0)

to begin with. If you'd rather vote for "100 more years in Iraq; I don't know what economic policy means" McCain.


by highgrade on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 01:24:28 PM EST


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